CWP alum on YouTube Podcast with Check Todd "Will China INVADE Taiwan & Would Trump Go To WAR To Stop Them?"

Eyck Freymann — Hoover Fellow at Stanford University and author of the new book Defending Taiwan: A Strategy to Prevent War with China — joins the Chuck Toddcast for a riveting conversation about the world's most dangerous geopolitical flashpoint at a moment when America is stretched dangerously thin by the Iran war. Freymann argues that the remainder of Trump's term represents a unique window of opportunity for Xi Jinping to move on Taiwan, not necessarily through a dramatic amphibious invasion — which Taiwan's geography makes incredibly difficult and which would result in the U.S. destroying China's navy and air force in a high-intensity conflict — but through coercion, quarantine, or political manipulation designed to change Taiwan's orientation without firing a shot. He explains that Taiwan is more than a strategic asset for China: it's a democratic success story that represents a shining alternative to CCP rule, making it the lynchpin of Xi's "national rejuvenation" project. Freymann unpacks Xi's recent purges of top military leaders as a sign that he now has full control of the PLA, notes that Western intelligence agencies have struggled to penetrate China's inner circle, and warns that Xi may issue direct threats to Taiwan during their 2028 election — a pattern of coercion that the U.S. must develop tools to deter.

The conversation turns to what a realistic defense strategy looks like — and what the Iran war is teaching Beijing in real time. Freymann pushes back on war games that show China winning, arguing they aren't a crystal ball and that the U.S. retains significant advantages in cyber warfare and conventional naval power. But he warns that China is more likely to pursue a "quarantine" rather than a full blockade — a semantic distinction with enormous legal and strategic implications, since a blockade would turn the entire world against China while a quarantine creates more ambiguity. He notes that China is carefully studying both Russia's failures in Ukraine and America's struggles in Iran to learn what not to do. His bottom line: in the best-case scenario, we're headed for another cold war — but China doesn't actually want to fight the United States because the risks are far too high.

Timeline: 00:00 Eyck Freymann joins The Chuck ToddCast 02:00 What is the strategy for defending Taiwan? 03:45 The goal is to let the Taiwan situation get resolved peacefully 05:15 What’s the practical reason the Chinese want Taiwan so badly? 05:45 Taiwan is a democratic success story, shining alternative to CCP 06:45 Taiwan’s geography makes an invasion incredibly difficult 08:15 If China can take Taiwan, other dominoes in the region could fall 09:00 Taiwan is a “nice to have” not “need to have” for China 10:30 China’s project is “national rejuvenation”, Taiwan is lynchpin of that 13:15 Remainder of Trump’s term is unique opportunity for Xi 15:45 How should we read Xi’s purges of top military leaders? 17:15 Xi Jinping doesn’t give many interviews, remains an enigma 20:00 Western intelligence agencies have struggled to penetrate China 21:45 Xi is in full control of the PLA after the military purges 22:45 The last thing you want to be in CCP is the rumored successor to Xi 24:00 Xi may issue threats to Taiwan during their 2028 election 26:30 How does the U.S. deter coercion of Taiwan by China? 28:30 War would result in the U.S. destroying PLA navy & air force 29:15 U.S. has advantage over China in cyber warfare 30:45 U.S. can stabilize the situation by responding proportionally 32:00 China thinks they can win a PR war, change Taiwan politically 35:00 Could Taiwanese who want independence just flee the country? 37:15 Occupying Taipei would make Kabul & Mosul look like child’s play 38:15 A blockade of Taiwan is Plan B, not Plan A 39:30 A blockade would turn the entire world against China 40:15 China more likely to “quarantine” Taiwan than blockade 42:00 China has grown a middle class that will demand services & stability 43:30 China’s economic ties to other countries create their own deterrence 47:45 Some version of TPP is coming back because we don’t have a choice 49:30 In the best case scenario, we’re headed for another cold war 52:00 Invading via the Taiwan strait is incredibly difficult 53:45 China is taking lessons from Russia in Ukraine & U.S. in Iran 55:00 China doesn’t want to fight the U.S. - It’s far too risky Link in bio or go to https://getsoul.com & enter code TODDCAST for 30% off your first order. Thank you Wildgrain for sponsoring. Visit http://wildgrain.com/TODDCAST and use the code "TODDCAST" at checkout to receive $30 off your first box PLUS free Croissants for life! Visit our website: https://thechucktoddcast.com/

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Eyck Freymann is a Hoover Fellow at Stanford University, where he directs the Allied Coordination Working Group. He is also a Non-Resident Research Fellow at Columbia University's Center on Global Energy Policy, the Institute of Geoeconomics in Tokyo, and the China Maritime Studies Institute at the U.S. Naval War College.

Dr. Freymann works on strategies to preserve peace and protect U.S. interests and values in an era of systemic competition with China. He is the author of several books, including the forthcoming Defending Taiwan: A Strategy to Prevent War with China (Oxford, 2026), The Arsenal of Democracy: Technology, Industry, and Deterrence in an Age of Hard Choices (Hoover, 2025), and One Belt One Road: Chinese Power Meets the World (Harvard, 2021). His scholarly work has appeared in The China Quarterly and is forthcoming in International Security. 

Dr. Freymann comments on bipartisan national security issues in The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, Foreign Affairs, The Economist, War on the Rocks, The Wire China, and The Atlantic, among other venues. 

Before Hoover, Dr. Freymann held postdoctoral fellowships at Harvard and Columbia. He holds a doctorate from Oxford, masters degrees from Cambridge and Harvard, and a bachelors from Harvard, all in history and China studies.

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