CWP Alum On NCUSCR Interviews Podcast Covering Spy Balloons And US-China

The unauthorized entry of a suspected Chinese surveillance balloon into American airspace has provided a unique opportunity to examine the ability of Washington and Beijing to handle diplomatic crises. The incident leaves us wondering how the United States can better understand Chinese bureaucratic structure and decision-making and thus more effectively modulate its responses to unforeseen events. How will the two countries deescalate tensions when something more serious than a rogue balloon agitates the relationship? As the ability to interpret signaling accurately and maintain de-escalatory communication between the United States and China become more critical, so too will understanding the answers to these questions.

In an interview conducted by Oriana Skylar Mastro on April 13, Tyler Jost and Susan Thornton help contextualize the spy balloon incident within China’s bureaucratic decision-making.

0-1:26 Introductions

1:26- 5:38 Why was the balloon a big deal?

5:38-9:54 The (lack of) airspace regulations

9:54-18:24 The U.S. reaction

18:24-24:04 U.S.-China Crisis communication

24:04-26:54 Lightning round

26:54- Who owes who an apology?

About the speakers: https://www.ncuscr.org/event/spy-balloon-china/

Read the transcript for this podcast

Follow Susan Thornton on Twitter: @suea_thornton

Follow Tyler Jost on Twitter: @tcjost

Follow Oriana Skylar Mastro on Twitter: @osmastro

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“Spy Balloons, Crisis Management, and Implications for U.S.-China Relations” on the National Committee on US-China Relations podcast

Tyler Jost’s research focuses on national security decision-making, bureaucratic politics, and Chinese foreign policy. His current book project examines domestic institutions designed to decide and coordinate national security policy, such as the U.S. National Security Council. He completed his doctoral degree in the Department of Government at Harvard University and held postdoctoral fellowships in the International Security Program at the Kennedy School of Government, as well as in the China and the World Program at Columbia University. He completed his undergraduate studies at West Point and served as a military officer with assignments to Afghanistan, U.S. Cyber Command, and the Office of the Secretary of Defense.

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